Then the FEDs come in with even more military gear and set up a huge military camp. The SBA4 is a much more robust and stiffer brace than other SB Tactical braces like the SBA3 or PDW brace. I understand that mistakes happen and when they happen you need to find something else to do. Troy would have been fully aware of the events at Ruby Ridge and Monroe’s involvement and comments. You guys rock, and I’d continue to be a customer regardless (unless you decided to hire Jody Weis or Dale Monroe, ) but I think it would demonstrate peerless leadership in the arena of Second Amendment rights for you to do so. Shooting an unarmed woman is criminal, she wasn’t shooting at the Marshals/FBI, etc. Then your hands are clean. Read and be educated. Monroe would have shot at the man “at that time”. Accessory maker Troy Industries has had quite the week PR-wise. NOBODY involved with such a disgraceful cowardice act should be allowed anywhere near gun manufactures of any type. Sorry, but that’s not quite right, as was established at Nuremberg. Wasn’t Horiuchi also at Waco? : tied up or otherwise incapacitated. And that after a 14-year-old boy was shot in the back. Posted by 1 year ago. I’m all about brothers-in-arms too, but there are some lines that can’t be crossed. Horiuchi invoked his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination Tuesday after the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on terrorism refused to give him limited immunity from prosecution. I don’t support companies that hire murderers exempt from the law because they are better than normal citizens(government employees). However, gunssavelife.com has also found two other points in the video where Mr. Monroe says both that he feels both shots were justified, and that he would have taken a shot if he’d had an accurate shot to take. Speaking of Feinstein, some people over at the Troy FB page have created a funny little meme: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101033291003519&set=o.329531598985&type=1&theater. That’s easy. Indeed. TROY’s CQB SPC A4 Rifle is a conventional and versatile model and includes Troy Battle Sights. They never had to answer for their actions and Horiuchi went on to take part in Waco. Even still, we should all pray for the agents who were caused to do so much harm to so many, and themselves in the process. The following was published at gunssavelife.com and is reprinted here with permission: Troy Industries really stepped hip deep in the kimchee with their hiring of Jody Weis as an instructor in their training division, Troy Assymetric. Everyone keeps saying Vicki and her baby was behind a door when shot. Intent follows the bullet. Looking at buying another AR and this has made the list, I just am having a hard time finding any reviews in it. Monroe was an FBI HRT member assigned a mission which turned tragic. It means he did his job. You have entered an incorrect email address! The man who put a bullet in her eye as she was holding a baby should be dead. These men are the worst kind of humans that exist on this earth. If you start arresting each other instead of fighting the enemy, you could all end with your heads on Taliba spikes. His career was ruined the moment Mrs. Weaver was executed while holding an infant. Having previously served as the Tactical Commander/SWAT Senior Team Leader in the Los Angeles FBI Bureau, Dale also gleaned experience from his time in the Phoenix, Arizona and Quantico, Virginia Offices. Give me a break!! It is not a PISTOL – it has a 12.5″ barrel and has a mandatory forward vertical grip, … “Just following orders” is no excuse, Mr. “Under orders” has not been a valid excuse since August 8 1945. Hell, I highly doubt that general Gage would’ve ordered or taken the shot. It’s an unfortunate fact that one of the greatest casualties of war are civilians caught in the middle. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Leads me to believe he didn’t miss his intended target. I mean, unless you’re not completely full of shit about burning all your Troy gear over this stupidity. It’s no wonder this jack-booted thug, Troy, is in lock-step with another member of the Blue Wall. Now we’re boycotting Troy. But, in reality, I thank you. Hot off the presses from the Troy Industries Facebook page. Be the first to review “TROY 10″ A4 Pistol with SBA3 Brace” Cancel reply. She was in AN OPEN DOORWAY. Ouch, hate to see a well-intentioned company that makes good products make a bad move like this, and the ever-hungry shark tank of Interweb tactical expert/critics live for this kind of thing. The are not moral people. ” I vast just vollowing orderz” does not work in all cases. Thanks for letting us know. I’m no fan of anyone who was on the murdering team at Ruby Ridge, so I’m never going to buy a Troy product, to be sure. You’d better believe I knew when it happened. I picked this up during the black friday deal for 600 and immediately sold the goofy heavy ass club foot stock. Yes you don’t get to teach people after that. I seem to remember reading that. Any “tough guy” with a toy badge better keep that in mind every time they deal with their employer, the American people. Perhaps most notably, Dale served as a Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) Tactical Operator on the nation’s only federal civilian counter-terrorism response team. Cops here are always getting the address wrong and killing innocent people, nothing ever happens to them. In reality, perhaps most notably Dale Monroe was Lon Horiuchi’s partner at Ruby Ridge. © COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I think this whole “no, it was Wenger who said that” is just a red herring. These include Smith & Wesson, Sturm Ruger, LaRue Tactical, LWRC International and Heckler & Koch Defense. Ruin a career? You can try to chalk it up to “unintended consequences” but the simple fact is that this wasn’t a battlefield and the government response was a heaping pile of tyranny that should never have happened in the first place. Troy Industries. How about Franklin Armory's XO 26 R2 (shown below)? He knew she was there. As John Boch at gunssavelife.com reports, after first claiming that Troy Asymmetric was a separate company, Troy dropped that ruse and tossed the newly-hired Mr. Weis under the bus . Ruining someone’s career? Not coincidentally, the Waco tragedy began with federal LE agents poking a stick into the cage of another family who was also on their own property, and bothering no one – over regularly leveraged means and ends around lazy cop work, like using tax evasion against people they cant seem to make a drug case against, or gun possession law violations – an oxymoron in America where everyone has the right to own any firearm they can carry, and to defend their homes with those tools – at least according the the Constitution – and the entire living US Supreme Court. I do fault their superiors for initiating the operation at Ruby Ridge as in retrospect, the information that we now know the supervisors had, “did not justify that level of operation”. But, the ‘firefight’ in which she was killed had fire only going one way. Troy, throughout this entire mess, you folks have been hiding and obfuscating. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. A4 “other firearm” 5.56 $ 1,299.00 TROY’s A4 “other firearm” meets NJ legal compliance and features the SBA3 5-position adjustable brace, TROY Front and Rear Folding BattleSights™, TROY SOCC M-LOK BattleRail, TROY Poly CQB FVG – Mandatory and TROY Control Pistol Grip, TROY … Yes, Troy intended to add an anti-RKBA Daly administration lackey who lost the confidence of his own department to their staff as an instructor. After Dicks Sporting Goods hastily removed “black rifles” from their shelves in December of last year, I hand delivered a letter to the manager of my local store to forward to her board of directors explaining why I would no longer shop at Dicks. In this case, that fate may well be ruin. Well, there’s a company that lost my business for the foreseeable future. 9. share. In any event, it’s up to gun owners to make an informed decision if they want to do business with a company that hired Horiuchi’s partner from Ruby Ridge. As Harris was passing the door Horiuchi fired at where he thought Harris might be, shooting Harris in the neck and exploding Vicki’s head. Irrespective of their nuanced announcement – we can’t believe they would trumpet their excitement about bringing Jody Weis on board as an instructor if it wasn’t a done deal – we’re glad he’s gone and pleased we had a hand in wrecking his new job in the private sector. Troy hired him knowing this or perhaps even because of this. Google the model number, lots of the Colt over-runs are for sale for just under $1200. The scenario is that the government had NO RIGHT to go after Weaver at all. Wha!? Not buying troy ever again. ABSOLUTELY. Boycott these suckers because they are up to no good. We should accept the drone-killing of wedding parties of a couple dozen, of which one “might” be a “terrorist” (def: a freedom fighter who’s on the other side), because those are “acceptable casualties of war”? After reviewing the testimony, we are confident that you, too, will find that it is indeed Wenger that made the statement, not Monroe. We as private civilians are constantly harped on that “every bullet has a lawyer tied to it” and to adjust your actions as such. http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001015663/reno_drool_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg. Bad Shoot, Unlawful orders, LEOs and Service members have a right to refuse any unlawful order. You also have to have the intelligence to recognize a bad “order”. Steve Troy founded Troy Industries with the goal of delivering reliable, battle-ready products that will always deliver when lives are on the line. Hope you’re listening Troy.. Newspapers are wrong all the time, especially student newspapers. I understand Weiss. The bolt is made from Carpenter 158 steel and has been magnetic-particle inspected and high-pressure tested. Compared to Daniel Defense products Troy’s stuff just feels cheap. BOOM!  When Weaver refused to become “a snitch,” the ATF filed the gun charges in June 1990, also claiming Weaver was a bank robber with criminal convictions (those claims were false: at that time Weaver had no criminal record and the subsequent Senate investigation found: “Weaver was not a suspect in any bank robberies.”) Weaver denied the sawed-off weapons charge, claiming that the informant had purchased two legal shotguns from him and later shortened the guns.”. So they took a $1,000 (retail) COTS product, which is already available as a Magpul -accessorized variant for the same price), and added a few hundred bucks worth of marginal parts, and … I wonder who’s getting a kooshy reward job in a few years from this. Troy A4 "Other" AR type firearm - 5.56mm, 10.5" barrel, black, NJ compliant, factory new - NOW AVAILABLE, GRAB ONE WHILE YOU CAN! the TROY SPC A4 offers durable accessories that TROY is know for: TROY Front and Rear Folding BattleSights, TROY SOCC M-LOK Rail; TROY Medieval Muzzle Break. So why does an unlawful shoot get a pass for LEOs? There is a fundamental difference between combat and law enforcement. Im still waiting for the tritium upgrade front sight i sent in 10 months ago! If they act outside orders, that is different. Why should we not hold the government employees to the same standard. I don’t know how one could know this, give them money and still sleep well at night. Yes, that was war, but the un-intended consequences are the same. Do some research on what was done and you will see that the entire thing was instigate by the government because Weaver would not become an informant. The SBA4 brace is the newest variation of braces for the AR-15 that SB Tactical makes currently. They took the action, they should damn well face the consequences for it. The woman with the baby was behind the door; “Out of sight”. Later, further investigation found a person in that hut who was most likely killed by that bullet. troy industries, inc. user3369 – Ruby Ridge was in no way whatsoever even close to being a “combat” situation, and it should never be compared to what our troops in Iraq/Afghanistan encounter. Randy Weaver eventually won a $3 million judgement against the government but that won’t bring back his wife. On several occasions in Vietnam I saw a running Vietcong shooter shot with the bullet going through him and into a grass hut behind him. That’s like me saying, “I know Bob robbed the Circle K because the LA Times told me so,” while there is actual video of John robbing the store. You wait until the end of business then release a link to this video you claim exonerates your man. If you shoot yourself in the foot, fine, it’s done, but don’t pull the trigger again! The Troy Lee Designs A2 helmet has taken the comfort-and-style baton handed down from the A1, and then ramped up the protection and safety features for a remarkable open-face lid. ATF MUST be disbanded. But the attention drawn by Weis’s abortive hiring drew scrutiny to Troy Asymmetric that’s turned up another eyebrow-raising staffer. I also have difficulty believing an FBI HRT sniper “missed” his shot. Because they hire the poster children of over-reaching and corrupt government? There is a reason why we don’t use the Marines to hand out speeding tickets. Here it is: Dump Monroe. As is too often the case, we give our playground bullies badges and guns, and turn them loose on America. Very hush hush. This is a guy whose entire career has been built on the gun, he is probably very much in line with the rest of our ideals. I bet their response will be something like this? Cops deal with their masters on American soil. the TROY SPC A4 offers durable accessories that TROY is know for: TROY Front and Rear Folding BattleSights, TROY SOCC M-LOK Rail. And Horiuchi just “accidentally” murdered Vicky Weaver. There is no excuse for the murder of innocents. Maybe Troy settled on Weis and Monroe because Janet Reno wasn’t available. Lon Horiuchi was shooting at a man outside of the cabin and missed with the shot going through the door hitting the woman and baby who were “Out of sight”. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1, Quote of the Day: Exactly The Way They Want It Edition, It Should Have Been a DGU: 88-Year-Old Man Beaten to Death, Customers and Staff Shot Man Who Opened Fire in Metairie, LA Gun Store, BREAKING: 3 Dead, 2 Wounded in Shooting at Metairie, Louisiana Gun Store, 12-year-old Boy Shoots Home Invader Who Shot His Grandmother. 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As you would expect, it fit perfectly on the rail and secured completely, … I do know that those in charge of the frame-up of Mr Weaver, and those in charge of sending any LE authories to his home to extort him into becoming an informant, and especially all of the subsequent Ruby Ridge incident command staff, should have been fired, arrested, and tried for violating innumerable laws, and the Constitutional rights of the Weavers who should have been left alone in the first place. My first comment was written prior to the second update, and my second comment (obviously) after it. That is the most important aspect. All over a sawed off shotgun frame job. Dale brings nearly three decades of experience in the areas of SWAT, Incident Response, Tactical Training and Investigation to Troy. P. 866.788.6412 F. 413-383-0339. 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